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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 27, 2006 11:20:50 GMT -5
Welcome to #2 of Wilt dicussion! My name is Rachel! (hint hint the last one we were talking about got locked so we need to start over.) Note from Sparky: Btw the link to that last thread is: nffostershome.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=friends&action=display&thread=1121365253For soon that thread will probably scroll down off of the first page, so I thought I should put a link to it in the first post of *this* thread so newbies can find it.
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Post by InsaneFan on Jun 27, 2006 11:21:50 GMT -5
Yee-haw!
So...Uh....I had something I was gonna say about Wilt, but it's gone now. =P
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 27, 2006 11:23:01 GMT -5
Yee-haw! So...Uh....I had something I was gonna say about Wilt, but it's gone now. =P NUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! Oh well. Might as well get some ideas. (unless we already did them all on the last one XD)
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Post by Cassini90125 on Jun 27, 2006 14:16:08 GMT -5
Yee-haw! So...Uh....I had something I was gonna say about Wilt, but it's gone now. =P NUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! Oh well. Might as well get some ideas. (unless we already did them all on the last one XD) There can't be much left at this point.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 27, 2006 14:22:09 GMT -5
We will probably have to wait for a new episode, and see if it shows any aspect of Wilt's personality or behavior that is new. The guy does seem to be full of surprises; just when you think you've got him "pegged", he shuffles the deck on us! I REALLY am intrigued by "Bus The Two of Us", to see just WHY Wilt allows Mac and Bloo to take off in the bus, since that seems so irresponsible and OOC for him, and what he does to try to keep Frankie and Herriman from finding out, and how he handles the aftermath when they inevitably find out anyway.
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Post by CG on Jun 27, 2006 17:13:54 GMT -5
Bloo could easily use the "You don't wanna be a tattle-tale, doooo ya?" technique many older siblings use on younger ones when they're found out doing something they're not supposed to. And given Wilt's temperment, despite how he's stood up for himself in the past, the last thing he'd ever want to do is put his friendship with Bloo (and possibly Mac, dunno how much into the whole scheme he is to begin with yet) in jeopardy by telling on them and getting them in trouble. So that could be the reason why he would let them go do that, while trying to keep Herriman 'n Frankie occupied and not find out. He feels if they find out even without him, Bloo will blame him for getting him in trouble.
Which is funny, since throughout the series Wilt has always genuinely offered to get in trouble for Bloo's mistakes. But I guess this time it's very different since Bloo is really planning something this extreme, and Wilt knows this is just plain bad. This is nothing compared to the other things Bloo's done. I guess, since I haven't seen all of the episodes.
No one seems to want to help me out with that. . .
Anyway. We shall see.
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 27, 2006 19:06:03 GMT -5
Yay, let's get this thread thingie started before it dies!
And thanks Sparky! ^_^
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Post by Vivi on Jun 27, 2006 20:47:53 GMT -5
crap! I didn't get to write on the last one before it got locked! but no matter. I'm on this one! hi!
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Post by taranchula on Jun 27, 2006 22:40:31 GMT -5
I REALLY am intrigued by "Bus The Two of Us", to see just WHY Wilt allows Mac and Bloo to take off in the bus, since that seems so irresponsible and OOC for him, and what he does to try to keep Frankie and Herriman from finding out, and how he handles the aftermath when they inevitably find out anyway. pitbulllady That is going to be an interesting episode to say the least, I wonder what kind of diversionary tactics Wilt will use in order to keep Frankie and Herriman in the dark, because after all if anyone has seen Neighbor Pains you've already seen what kind of diversion Wilt can provide if prompted to. ("Frankie look at me, I'm going to Old Man Rivers and I'm not sorry!")
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 28, 2006 11:41:53 GMT -5
I REALLY am intrigued by "Bus The Two of Us", to see just WHY Wilt allows Mac and Bloo to take off in the bus, since that seems so irresponsible and OOC for him, and what he does to try to keep Frankie and Herriman from finding out, and how he handles the aftermath when they inevitably find out anyway. pitbulllady That is going to be an interesting episode to say the least, I wonder what kind of diversionary tactics Wilt will use in order to keep Frankie and Herriman in the dark, because after all if anyone has seen Neighbor Pains you've already seen what kind of diversion Wilt can provide if prompted to. ("Frankie look at me, I'm going to Old Man Rivers and I'm not sorry!") So so true. Bloo could easily use the "You don't wanna be a tattle-tale, doooo ya?" technique many older siblings use on younger ones when they're found out doing something they're not supposed to. And given Wilt's temperment, despite how he's stood up for himself in the past, the last thing he'd ever want to do is put his friendship with Bloo (and possibly Mac, dunno how much into the whole scheme he is to begin with yet) in jeopardy by telling on them and getting them in trouble. So that could be the reason why he would let them go do that, while trying to keep Herriman 'n Frankie occupied and not find out. He feels if they find out even without him, Bloo will blame him for getting him in trouble. Which is funny, since throughout the series Wilt has always genuinely offered to get in trouble for Bloo's mistakes. But I guess this time it's very different since Bloo is really planning something this extreme, and Wilt knows this is just plain bad. This is nothing compared to the other things Bloo's done. I guess, since I haven't seen all of the episodes. No one seems to want to help me out with that. . . Anyway. We shall see. I think Bloo would use that.
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Post by thelh on Jun 28, 2006 13:33:44 GMT -5
I had this weird bit of common sense and I thought: Who said that Wilt's accident happened while he was with his kid?* Think about it. According to Craig, Wilt was apparently made in the 70's. Now thats a hell of a lot of time between then and now, isn't it? It may have happened at Foster's (though there would have to be an explination why no one there's talked about it), or maybe while he was out and about, coping with this loss of his kid! I had this funny idea that after he was abandoned, but before he came to Foster's, and while he still had his other arm, he worked at some place in which he got a low pay, where there was also some dangerous machinery. One employee would ask him to help with it, and well...you know what would happen then. And then after he got in the state he is in now, some imaginary, e.g. Jackie Khones (I always thought of him ), comes and works there and both find out about Foster's, and then they both quit (and considering Wilt, this would be partly funny) and go there. Why am I talking about Jackie in the Wilt thread? Because I always felt of those two working together! Never mide they're both voiced by the same parson, and considering height! *Correct me if there is canonical evidence to go otherwise.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 28, 2006 14:41:38 GMT -5
I had this weird bit of common sense and I thought: Who said that Wilt's accident happened while he was with his kid?* Think about it. According to Craig, Wilt was apparently made in the 70's. Now thats a hell of a lot of time between then and now, isn't it? It may have happened at Foster's (though there would have to be an explination why no one there's talked about it), or maybe while he was out and about, coping with this loss of his kid! I had this funny idea that after he was abandoned, but before he came to Foster's, and while he still had his other arm, he worked at some place in which he got a low pay, where there was also some dangerous machinery. One employee would ask him to help with it, and well...you know what would happen then. And then after he got in the state he is in now, some imaginary, e.g. Jackie Khones (I always thought of him ), comes and works there and both find out about Foster's, and then they both quit (and considering Wilt, this would be partly funny) and go there. Why am I talking about Jackie in the Wilt thread? Because I always felt of those two working together! Never mide they're both voiced by the same parson, and considering height! *Correct me if there is canonical evidence to go otherwise. Actually, Jackie and Wilt are NOT voiced by the same person; that is a mistake that got on Wikipedia, and has never been changed. Jackie Khones is voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson, who also voiced Uncle Pockets, and Capt. Gantu in Lilo and Stitch, both the movie and the series. Nobody has ever said that Wilt got injured while he was with his kid, but I'm reasonably certain that it happened BEFORE he came to Foster's, and I'm also quite certain that it was NOT an accident. In "The Big Picture", Wilt has been in 33-years' worth of annual photos(take that as you will, since Frankie has been there almost that long, and she is only supposed to be 22, so clearly there is an age/time discrepancy in the series), and most importantly, his arm was already missing when he first shows up, however many years ago that was. Whatever happened to him, did not happen at Foster's, but was already done, repaired and healed by the time he came there. IF Wilt has been at Foster's for 33 years, that would mean he came there in 1973, which is EARLY '70's, and obviously he'd already been through a lot before then. If he got taken straight to Foster's right after he was created, he hardly would have even known his creator at all, and certainly would have had no time to form a bond with him/her, which would sort of mess up the whole premise of Good Wilt Hunting, wouldn't it? I mean, WHY would he embark on a cross-country search for someone he'd never known in the first place? Wilt strikes me as having probably played a major role in not only being a friend to his kid, but a sort of surrogate father/protector/mentor as well. The reason I believe(and Chaos Wielder will back me up on this)that Wilt's injuries were the result of an intentional act of violence/abuse(and NOT very likely by his creator, either)is due to his secrecy and refusal to discuss it. I've known many people who were amputees, and these people have no problems talking about it. They all either lost a limb through an accident, usually a car or motorcycle crash, or were in the military and were injured in combat, or had to have a limb amputated due to a disease, like bone cancer or diabetes(the leading cause of limb amputations in the US, by the way). They are not uncomfortable at all talking about what happened; in fact, many of the people who've lost limbs or feet due to diabetes are VERY willing to talk about their losses, hoping that they might be able to prevent someone else from having to go through the same thing. Wilt, on the other hand, is EXTREMELY uncomfortable with the situation. In the pilot, when Bloo tells him that he should play basketball, notice not only WHAT he says, but HOW he says it, when he tells Bloo, "Wellll...I USED to, *cough*you know...Well, how about that tour?" Notice how he rubs the back of his neck in that way he does when he's nervous or uncomfortable, and how he sorta gestures towards his stump of an arm with his head, as though to indicate that this is WHY he no longer seriously plays basketball. If Wilt lost his arm and eye due to a mere accident, I don't think he'd be that uncomfortable discussing it, let alone downright secretive. It's not like he's shy or has problems talking to people one-on-one. More than likely, he was injured after he and his creator were separated, and he was indeed out on his own. Whether he tried to move in with some other family, and got into a nasty situation that way, or some nutcase kidnapped him, or he got involved with something illegal, or what, I don't know, but the whole experience, well beyond just the physical trauma he suffered, has really left its mark on him. Another clue to Wilt having undergone some deliberate ill-treatment from someone is his fear of being adopted. It would be easy to just say that Wilt is simply putting all the other IF's at Foster's ahead of him, but on the couple of occasions when someone mentions him being adopted(most notably in "World Wide Wabbit, when Mac is attempting to tape Wilt), don't just listen to what he says, but watch his facial expression become more nervous as he tells Mac, "Oh, you don't wanna adopt ME-there are lots of Friends here far more deserving of adoption that I am!" Wilt is SCARED of having to leave Fosters, where he feels secure, and go live with anyone else, so he uses that excuse of the others all being more worthy than him to avoid being adopted. Even THAT-him always believing that others are more important, more worthy, or just plain better-than he is, ought to be a clue that at some point, somebody went out of their way to drill into Wilt's mind that he was worthless. pitbulllady
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Post by toonprincesswoman on Jun 28, 2006 15:07:10 GMT -5
Omg. Poor Wilt!! You're so good at big long descriptive paragraphs, PBL. So fun to read. I sure hope he wasn't abused. That would make me so sad. And I would have to track down whoever abused him and give them a kick in the shin and um... call them an abuse artist.
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Post by Chaos Wielder on Jun 28, 2006 19:11:11 GMT -5
The reason I believe(and Chaos Wielder will back me up on this)that Wilt's injuries were the result of an intentional act of violence/abuse(and NOT very likely by his creator, either)is due to his secrecy and refusal to discuss it. That I will! XD Anyway, I do agree with Pitbulllady 100% on this. But the thing is that you REALLY have to pay attention to the clues that are on the cartoon itself to see what we mean here. To be totally honest, at first I thought that Wilt wasn't injured because of intentional abuse, but because he got into some sort of accident. However, now that I've payed more attention to the clues on the cartoon, I've moved away from that theory a bit and do believe that Wilt did, in fact, suffer from some type of physical and/or mental abuse whether it was from his creator or someone else. Just as Pitbulllady said, Wilt seems pretty determined to NOT be adopted from Foster's. Now, originally, I thought that Wilt was just being...Wilt when he would say that the other friends were more deserving than he was. Putting others in front of himself. But once I saw "World Wide Wabbit" again recently, I came to the same conclusion as Pitbulllady did and I came up with it on my own, actually-that conclusion being that Wilt is, in fact, afraid to leave Foster's and become adopted once again. You can't tell as much in his tone of voice as you can in his facial expressions during that scene. If you look close enough he almost looks afraid or worried. But not only does Wilt refuse to discuss his condition with anyone, but there's one thing that Pitbulllady and I both noticed in "Squeeze the Day" and that was when Frankie was chewing him out for the mess at the beach. When she did that, Wilt seemed to cower a bit like he was either hurt by her outburst or possibly even AFRAID of her. While we know that Frankie would never EVER hurt anyone, that aggressive reaction seemed to really freak Wilt out judging simply by his reaction to her outburst, leading back to the fact that he had to have been abused, whether it's physically or mentally, at one point or another. But what I also find to be a bit strange is that others have yelled at him before, but he has never had the same type of reaction that he had when Frankie yelled at him (however, most of them only yelled at him once and it's possible that she had been chewing him out all the way back to Foster's so maybe that took a toll on him as well.)
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Post by labloogirl on Jun 28, 2006 20:48:56 GMT -5
All I know is, the chance it could have been abuse and not an accident is a far worse thing to hear. This means that someone INTENTIONALLY took something, whether it be a knife or some other sharp object, somehow held Wilt down (maybe a group, cause I doubt one person could hold him?), cut his arm off (which couldn't have happened THAT easily), jabbed it in his eye (Or however they did it), then cut his face on both sides as well. Man, that is just shocking. Actually, I'm amazed Craig would make a character like that...I kinda doubt the younger audience would think that deeply, but us older fans sure can't help but see that and think about it to that degree. Poor, poor Wilt. This makes me want to hug him even more, and man, if I ever did find out who did it to him, I'd go after that person and make sure they went to jail for it. (I wonder...maybe his assailents ARE in jail? That would at least be some satisfaction ^_^) I mean, some part of me keeps wanting to believe Wilt played Mr. Hero and saved the day, and his injuries were therefore due to saving the life of some child from a....car, or bus...or evil machine. At least then, his injuries would be a lot easier to "Take". Wow, and all that emotion from a cartoon character. Damn you, Craig. LOL ~Ami~
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