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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 28, 2006 21:20:40 GMT -5
All I know is, the chance it could have been abuse and not an accident is a far worse thing to hear. This means that someone INTENTIONALLY took something, whether it be a knife or some other sharp object, somehow held Wilt down (maybe a group, cause I doubt one person could hold him?), cut his arm off (which couldn't have happened THAT easily), jabbed it in his eye (Or however they did it), then cut his face on both sides as well. Man, that is just shocking. Actually, I'm amazed Craig would make a character like that...I kinda doubt the younger audience would think that deeply, but us older fans sure can't help but see that and think about it to that degree. Poor, poor Wilt. This makes me want to hug him even more, and man, if I ever did find out who did it to him, I'd go after that person and make sure they went to jail for it. (I wonder...maybe his assailents ARE in jail? That would at least be some satisfaction ^_^) I mean, some part of me keeps wanting to believe Wilt played Mr. Hero and saved the day, and his injuries were therefore due to saving the life of some child from a....car, or bus...or evil machine. At least then, his injuries would be a lot easier to "Take". Wow, and all that emotion from a cartoon character. d**n you, Craig. LOL ~Ami~ Or, someone could have shot him. A shotgun blast, especially at fairly close range, would cause those sort of injuries, since shotgun pellets, unlike a single bullet, scatter, and can hit multiple parts of the intended target. If Wilt KNEW it was coming, he would have automatically thrown his "weak" arm(that is the one that you don't use as often, which for most, is the left)up in front of him, a reflex action, so that the arm would have taken the brunt of the blast, probably being completely shredded in the process. Enough pellets could have gone over the arm to hit his left eye and eye stalk. Still, it IS extremely unpleasant to think about, of imagining the terror he would have experienced, KNOWING that someone was going to kill him(or give it a good try, anyway)and the pain and shock afterwards. Still, though, I cannot help but to think of the words of that kid in the hall at school, telling us what would happen to gang members who "snitched"-how other members of the gang WOULD literally hold the "snitch" down, and cut off an arm or hand, so he could no longer "stack"(use gang hand signals)and gouge out an eye to remind him to mind his own business, and leave him there, to either die or be scarred and marked for life as a "snitch". If Wilt had gotten caught up in something like a gang, even if he did so unintentionally, or while trying to survive on the streets, and either did something bad or knew about it and did not try to stop it, the guilt alone for someone like him would cause him to think so poorly of himself and believe that he was not worthy of any nice treatment. I know that many of my students DO, in fact, believe that Wilt's injuries were the result of some deliberate act of violence, since by the time many of these kids reach fifth grade, they have either personally known someone who did get brutalized in a similar fashion, or have actually SEEN this happen to someone. I've taught kindergarten students who've witnessed horrific acts of violence to other people, and are completey, frighteningly, desensitized to it. From reading the comments left by posters on the Blogreguard Q. Kazoo site, many other fans clearly believe that Wilt has also been the victim of intentional violence on a personal level, and the subject of at least mental/emotional abuse at some point, though whether that and the injuries are related, is still up in the air. I know that I really did not want to believe that for a long time, and argued that he must have been hurt in an accident, or a storm, or something random and impersonal(I never did believe that Wilt was created that way from the beginning, as some people have thought), but after seeing episodes like "Crime After Crime" and especially now "Squeeze the Day", it's difficult to continue ignoring the writing on the wall. pitbulllady
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Post by toonprincesswoman on Jun 28, 2006 21:24:12 GMT -5
I mean, some part of me keeps wanting to believe Wilt played Mr. Hero and saved the day, and his injuries were therefore due to saving the life of some child from a....car, or bus...or evil machine. At least then, his injuries would be a lot easier to "Take". That's always been my belief as well. And if we do end up finding out what happened to him in Good Wilt Hunting, that is definitely much more likely to be it since it's a kid's show and heroic rescue is much more kid friendly than physical abuse.
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 29, 2006 0:01:47 GMT -5
I had this weird bit of common sense and I thought: Who said that Wilt's accident happened while he was with his kid?* Think about it. According to Craig, Wilt was apparently made in the 70's. Now thats a hell of a lot of time between then and now, isn't it? It may have happened at Foster's (though there would have to be an explination why no one there's talked about it), or maybe while he was out and about, coping with this loss of his kid! I had this funny idea that after he was abandoned, but before he came to Foster's, and while he still had his other arm, he worked at some place in which he got a low pay, where there was also some dangerous machinery. One employee would ask him to help with it, and well...you know what would happen then. And then after he got in the state he is in now, some imaginary, e.g. Jackie Khones (I always thought of him ), comes and works there and both find out about Foster's, and then they both quit (and considering Wilt, this would be partly funny) and go there. Why am I talking about Jackie in the Wilt thread? Because I always felt of those two working together! Never mide they're both voiced by the same parson, and considering height! *Correct me if there is canonical evidence to go otherwise. Actually, Jackie and Wilt are NOT voiced by the same person; that is a mistake that got on Wikipedia, and has never been changed. Jackie Khones is voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson, who also voiced Uncle Pockets, and Capt. Gantu in Lilo and Stitch, both the movie and the series. Nobody has ever said that Wilt got injured while he was with his kid, but I'm reasonably certain that it happened BEFORE he came to Foster's, and I'm also quite certain that it was NOT an accident. In "The Big Picture", Wilt has been in 33-years' worth of annual photos(take that as you will, since Frankie has been there almost that long, and she is only supposed to be 22, so clearly there is an age/time discrepancy in the series), and most importantly, his arm was already missing when he first shows up, however many years ago that was. Whatever happened to him, did not happen at Foster's, but was already done, repaired and healed by the time he came there. IF Wilt has been at Foster's for 33 years, that would mean he came there in 1973, which is EARLY '70's, and obviously he'd already been through a lot before then. If he got taken straight to Foster's right after he was created, he hardly would have even known his creator at all, and certainly would have had no time to form a bond with him/her, which would sort of mess up the whole premise of Good Wilt Hunting, wouldn't it? I mean, WHY would he embark on a cross-country search for someone he'd never known in the first place? Wilt strikes me as having probably played a major role in not only being a friend to his kid, but a sort of surrogate father/protector/mentor as well. The reason I believe(and Chaos Wielder will back me up on this)that Wilt's injuries were the result of an intentional act of violence/abuse(and NOT very likely by his creator, either)is due to his secrecy and refusal to discuss it. I've known many people who were amputees, and these people have no problems talking about it. They all either lost a limb through an accident, usually a car or motorcycle crash, or were in the military and were injured in combat, or had to have a limb amputated due to a disease, like bone cancer or diabetes(the leading cause of limb amputations in the US, by the way). They are not uncomfortable at all talking about what happened; in fact, many of the people who've lost limbs or feet due to diabetes are VERY willing to talk about their losses, hoping that they might be able to prevent someone else from having to go through the same thing. Wilt, on the other hand, is EXTREMELY uncomfortable with the situation. In the pilot, when Bloo tells him that he should play basketball, notice not only WHAT he says, but HOW he says it, when he tells Bloo, "Wellll...I USED to, *cough*you know...Well, how about that tour?" Notice how he rubs the back of his neck in that way he does when he's nervous or uncomfortable, and how he sorta gestures towards his stump of an arm with his head, as though to indicate that this is WHY he no longer seriously plays basketball. If Wilt lost his arm and eye due to a mere accident, I don't think he'd be that uncomfortable discussing it, let alone downright secretive. It's not like he's shy or has problems talking to people one-on-one. More than likely, he was injured after he and his creator were separated, and he was indeed out on his own. Whether he tried to move in with some other family, and got into a nasty situation that way, or some nutcase kidnapped him, or he got involved with something illegal, or what, I don't know, but the whole experience, well beyond just the physical trauma he suffered, has really left its mark on him. Another clue to Wilt having undergone some deliberate ill-treatment from someone is his fear of being adopted. It would be easy to just say that Wilt is simply putting all the other IF's at Foster's ahead of him, but on the couple of occasions when someone mentions him being adopted(most notably in "World Wide Wabbit, when Mac is attempting to tape Wilt), don't just listen to what he says, but watch his facial expression become more nervous as he tells Mac, "Oh, you don't wanna adopt ME-there are lots of Friends here far more deserving of adoption that I am!" Wilt is SCARED of having to leave Fosters, where he feels secure, and go live with anyone else, so he uses that excuse of the others all being more worthy than him to avoid being adopted. Even THAT-him always believing that others are more important, more worthy, or just plain better-than he is, ought to be a clue that at some point, somebody went out of their way to drill into Wilt's mind that he was worthless. pitbulllady Perhaps he doesn't want to leave his friends, maybe he thinks that Foster's adopted him, as part of the one big, happy family, just like Frankie states, as a permanent resident. I'd bet that if (and that's a pretty big if) Wilt were to get adopted at some point, that all his friends would be very sad to see him go, Ed crying, Bloo trying to hide his sadness, etc. I wonder if Frankie will put up a fight, too. Cause, she had known Wilt since she came into Foster's, as a little girl. Maybe she had grown to love him, as in "adopting" him in some way. But still acts like she's part of giving punishment, (in lack of better phrase) Wilt should know as any person should know that he is not in any way worthless. His only need is to be needed, after all. I mean, how many times in a week do you find a person who'll do almost any kind of favor for you, even if you were a complete stranger to him/her. And then doesn't feel that they need anything in return. Doing those things for the heck of it, and to make sure that you were needed. That all you want to do is to help out somebody, anybody, for that matter. Feeling that your only purpose in life was to lend a helping hand. Don't care who, JUST DO IT. I think right here, I described Wilt. XD Some nutcase, lol. I just think "nutcase" is a funny word.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 29, 2006 12:40:58 GMT -5
[/quote]Perhaps he doesn't want to leave his friends, maybe he thinks that Foster's adopted him, as part of the one big, happy family, just like Frankie states, as a permanent resident. I'd bet that if (and that's a pretty big if) Wilt were to get adopted at some point, that all his friends would be very sad to see him go, Ed crying, Bloo trying to hide his sadness, etc. I wonder if Frankie will put up a fight, too. Cause, she had known Wilt since she came into Foster's, as a little girl. Maybe she had grown to love him, as in "adopting" him in some way. But still acts like she's part of giving punishment, (in lack of better phrase)
Wilt should know as any person should know that he is not in any way worthless. His only need is to be needed, after all. I mean, how many times in a week do you find a person who'll do almost any kind of favor for you, even if you were a complete stranger to him/her. And then doesn't feel that they need anything in return. Doing those things for the heck of it, and to make sure that you were needed. That all you want to do is to help out somebody, anybody, for that matter. Feeling that your only purpose in life was to lend a helping hand. Don't care who, JUST DO IT. I think right here, I described Wilt. XD
Some nutcase, lol. I just think "nutcase" is a funny word.[/quote]
No doubt that if Wilt WERE to ever be adopted, there would be a lot of sadness at Foster's. Ed is so dependent on him as a father figure, that he'd most likely experience more emotional trauma than when he was left there by his creator! Frankie would probably experience the worst, though; I don't know if she even realizes how much SHE depends on Wilt to help out around the house! I am beginning to wonder, too(and this is something else we have discussed on FF.net's forums)if she does not have some subconcious, much-deeper attachment to him, and vice versa, and she's trying not to show it. She knows that there is always that chance that Wilt could be adopted, and that for her, as his legal guardian/caretaker/whatever, to show anything more for him than for anyone else is going to cause problems. HE knows that it would create problems for her, as well, and would especially be difficult for her outside friends to accept, so they're both sorta steering clear of each other, emotionally. That could explain two things: Frankie really getting so angry with him in a couple of episodes, and him reacting for more to her anger than he has ever done to anyone else getting mad at him. In "Squeeze the Day", Wilt was clearly deeply hurt by Frankie going off on him, but when Madame Foster screamed at him in "The Big LeBlooski", he just grinned, apologized, and brushed it off, then HE got on HER case(gently, of course) a few minuites later when she scared Eduardo and was making a scene indoors, so it really was Wilt who was in charge of THAT particular situation. I think that Frankie has more affection for him than she'd like to admit, having known him for so long, and her trying to deny or avoid it is manifesting more and more as hostility.
I still think, though, that Wilt IS afraid of ever having to leave Foster's and go live with someone else. He puts on a front of still wanting to be adopted, like in the pilot when he tells Bloo that what they all want the most is to be adopted by a new kid(when I heard him say that, I was like, "You LIAR! That might be true of the OTHERS, but..."), but I really don't think he wants to leave. He is under no delusions that he is a "permanent resident" there; Bloo and Mr. Herriman are the only IF's with THAT privilege, and Bloo's situation has strings attached. Seriously, if Wilt REALLY wanted to be adopted, like he says in the pilot, he has the charms to make it happen, and he would have been long-gone by now.
Yes, Wilt loves to help others, but I don't think he's doing so because he believes in himself. It makes him feel better, yeah, but I have this feeling that he's doing it to try and compensate for something, too, like he feels he OWES it others. After having seen his behavior in "Crime After Crime" and "Squeeze the Day", and don't see how anyone can fail to notice that Wilt's self-esteem is really sagging, and I mean LOW. He clearly does NOT believe that he is as important, or as valuable, as everyone else is. There is something going on there, emotionally, and it's not too good. I wonder how many times Frankie has ever even told him how much she appreciates his help? I'll bet those words have never crossed her lips.
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 29, 2006 12:54:07 GMT -5
Perhaps he doesn't want to leave his friends, maybe he thinks that Foster's adopted him, as part of the one big, happy family, just like Frankie states, as a permanent resident. I'd bet that if (and that's a pretty big if) Wilt were to get adopted at some point, that all his friends would be very sad to see him go, Ed crying, Bloo trying to hide his sadness, etc. I wonder if Frankie will put up a fight, too. Cause, she had known Wilt since she came into Foster's, as a little girl. Maybe she had grown to love him, as in "adopting" him in some way. But still acts like she's part of giving punishment, (in lack of better phrase) Wilt should know as any person should know that he is not in any way worthless. His only need is to be needed, after all. I mean, how many times in a week do you find a person who'll do almost any kind of favor for you, even if you were a complete stranger to him/her. And then doesn't feel that they need anything in return. Doing those things for the heck of it, and to make sure that you were needed. That all you want to do is to help out somebody, anybody, for that matter. Feeling that your only purpose in life was to lend a helping hand. Don't care who, JUST DO IT. I think right here, I described Wilt. XD Some nutcase, lol. I just think "nutcase" is a funny word.[/quote] No doubt that if Wilt WERE to ever be adopted, there would be a lot of sadness at Foster's. Ed is so dependent on him as a father figure, that he'd most likely experience more emotional trauma than when he was left there by his creator! Frankie would probably experience the worst, though; I don't know if she even realizes how much SHE depends on Wilt to help out around the house! I am beginning to wonder, too(and this is something else we have discussed on FF.net's forums)if she does not have some subconcious, much-deeper attachment to him, and vice versa, and she's trying not to show it. She knows that there is always that chance that Wilt could be adopted, and that for her, as his legal guardian/caretaker/whatever, to show anything more for him than for anyone else is going to cause problems. HE knows that it would create problems for her, as well, and would especially be difficult for her outside friends to accept, so they're both sorta steering clear of each other, emotionally. That could explain two things: Frankie really getting so angry with him in a couple of episodes, and him reacting for more to her anger than he has ever done to anyone else getting mad at him. In "Squeeze the Day", Wilt was clearly deeply hurt by Frankie going off on him, but when Madame Foster screamed at him in "The Big LeBlooski", he just grinned, apologized, and brushed it off, then HE got on HER case(gently, of course) a few minuites later when she scared Eduardo and was making a scene indoors, so it really was Wilt who was in charge of THAT particular situation. I think that Frankie has more affection for him than she'd like to admit, having known him for so long, and her trying to deny or avoid it is manifesting more and more as hostility. I still think, though, that Wilt IS afraid of ever having to leave Foster's and go live with someone else. He puts on a front of still wanting to be adopted, like in the pilot when he tells Bloo that what they all want the most is to be adopted by a new kid(when I heard him say that, I was like, "You LIAR! That might be true of the OTHERS, but..."), but I really don't think he wants to leave. He is under no delusions that he is a "permanent resident" there; Bloo and Mr. Herriman are the only IF's with THAT privilege, and Bloo's situation has strings attached. Seriously, if Wilt REALLY wanted to be adopted, like he says in the pilot, he has the charms to make it happen, and he would have been long-gone by now. Yes, Wilt loves to help others, but I don't think he's doing so because he believes in himself. It makes him feel better, yeah, but I have this feeling that he's doing it to try and compensate for something, too, like he feels he OWES it others. After having seen his behavior in "Crime After Crime" and "Squeeze the Day", and don't see how anyone can fail to notice that Wilt's self-esteem is really sagging, and I mean LOW. He clearly does NOT believe that he is as important, or as valuable, as everyone else is. There is something going on there, emotionally, and it's not too good. I wonder how many times Frankie has ever even told him how much she appreciates his help? I'll bet those words have never crossed her lips. pitbulllady[/quote] *sigh* You always beat me to the winner's circle. You must know more about Wilt than I do...XD
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Post by InsaneFan on Jun 29, 2006 14:59:31 GMT -5
I had a thought that maybe it was Wilt's fault, whatever happened to him. Maybe he got himself and his creator in some sort of trouble, and got them both hurt. Then the kid's parents wouldn't want Wilt around anymore, so they got rid of him. That would explain why Wilt would go looking for his creator in GWH. *shrugs* But hey, for now, all theories are just that; theories.
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Post by CG on Jun 29, 2006 16:31:39 GMT -5
You only see so much of a character's personality in a cartoon, a lot of this is speculation. Well thought out speculation, in PBL's case. We shall find out, won't we? But maybe we won't either. It could be handled way differently to what you guys are expecting. I mean, so far all the episodes have been surprises. What a simple premise of a kid n Bloo pulling faces at each other exculated into a neightbour vs. neighbour like scenario and I for one didn't see that coming. ~*~ Anyway I'm wondering, since you guys are really into Wilt in a biiig way. . . did and of you spot him crying in one episode? I haven't really seen it mentioned before, and when I mentioned it to kageri over AIM today about my Wilt music video. inomonstruo: Since the song says 'in this beautiful life there's always some sorrow' and it's the ONLY clip I've seen of Wilt upset. WHEEEEEEEEE XD: ahh... hmmm WHEEEEEEEEE XD: *thinks of other times he's been upset* WHEEEEEEEEE XD: er inomonstruo: . . . when he sawed the bed in half. inomonstruo: He had actual TEARS then. WHEEEEEEEEE XD: whatwhatwhat?Given her reaction I decided to just let you guys see. Poor Wilt, crying over wrecking the only bed that could ever fit him. I feel for the guy.
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Post by labloogirl on Jun 29, 2006 17:39:13 GMT -5
Yes I remember that scene. Poor Wiltie! ^_^
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Post by SkittleMonkey on Jun 29, 2006 17:44:03 GMT -5
You only see so much of a character's personality in a cartoon, a lot of this is speculation. Well thought out speculation, in PBL's case. We shall find out, won't we? But maybe we won't either. It could be handled way differently to what you guys are expecting. I mean, so far all the episodes have been surprises. What a simple premise of a kid n Bloo pulling faces at each other exculated into a neightbour vs. neighbour like scenario and I for one didn't see that coming. ~*~ Anyway I'm wondering, since you guys are really into Wilt in a biiig way. . . did and of you spot him crying in one episode? I haven't really seen it mentioned before, and when I mentioned it to kageri over AIM today about my Wilt music video. inomonstruo: Since the song says 'in this beautiful life there's always some sorrow' and it's the ONLY clip I've seen of Wilt upset. WHEEEEEEEEE XD: ahh... hmmm WHEEEEEEEEE XD: *thinks of other times he's been upset* WHEEEEEEEEE XD: er inomonstruo: . . . when he sawed the bed in half. inomonstruo: He had actual TEARS then. WHEEEEEEEEE XD: whatwhatwhat?Given her reaction I decided to just let you guys see. Poor Wilt, crying over wrecking the only bed that could ever fit him. I feel for the guy. That makes ME want to cry!
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 29, 2006 19:51:51 GMT -5
*awwws but can't help laughing* Poor, poor Wilt. Besides, who wouldn't if they were that tall and you had to do THAT?
But in Foster's Go To Europe, you can only hear him sniffle, almost trying to be mad like everyone else, but is unsuccessful.
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Post by SkittleMonkey on Jun 29, 2006 20:02:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I heard that too, and then I wondered if he actually cried a little bit before they got back in the house.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 29, 2006 22:11:36 GMT -5
That scene with the bed is the only time I've actually seen him tear up-reminded me of a guy I know who had to sign over his bass boat to his ex-wife as alimony, seriously. Guys are like that; they'll "man up" and refuse to cry when you think that the situation warrents it, but will break down over something like a bed or a fishing boat or the outcome of a NASCAR race(seen THAT happen, too). I think in Wilt's case it was so frustrating KNOWING that he was not in possession of that room, and that he had to wreck one of the things in it that made him want it so badly, in order to TRY to get that room, and IF he succeded in drving Peanut Butter out, and getting the room for himself, he wouldn't have had anywhere to sleep, would he? It must have been especially bad since he didn't even have a too-short bed at the time, but had to sleep on the floor(though I can't totally absolve HIM of blame for that).
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Post by antgirl1 on Jun 30, 2006 0:27:56 GMT -5
Poor guy...
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Post by CG on Jun 30, 2006 2:49:28 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised no one made a mental connection of a saw and his amputated arm.
But I'm very dark like that.
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Post by labloogirl on Jun 30, 2006 7:50:41 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised no one made a mental connection of a saw and his amputated arm. But I'm very dark like that. Eeek. But I doubt that's why he cried, because of some bad memory. Think it was the bed thing. But whoa...if someone had used a saw on Wilt...think I'd go bawl for a while. o.o ~Ami~
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