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Post by phantomoperaghost on Jul 4, 2006 0:15:45 GMT -5
Yeah, fangirls have a habit of throwing aside female characters just so two guys who don't even like/acknowledge each other can get it on. What do they have against het, anyways? What they got against het is, you can't call the person a homophoba if they don't like the pairing then insult you for not liking it. Yep. And I saw those HeriimanXFrankie pics, too. Dude, the Herriman she drew doesn't look a thing like him! It doesn't even really look like a rabbit!
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Post by Beavergard Q. Kazoo on Jul 4, 2006 0:29:16 GMT -5
Haha, best laugh I had today! ;D I try
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 4, 2006 11:48:42 GMT -5
OMG how many chapters did you say there were, 30!? I'm sorry but I can't read that much. I've read the first few chapters so far. Even though i'm not into Wilt killing people and being possesed and all that, I wanna see how it ends. I'm suprised to find myself actually being really INTO this story.Well atleast for it being so weird. This would be a REALLY GOOD novel, just needing different charactors since that would be pledgerism (or however you spell it ). This book almost makes Wilt sound like he's mental case! But then again i'd probably go crazy too if I had those experiences. I think the out of charactor stories are interesting ,concerning Wilt, because I think it's fun to see how it turns out. Gee, I wounder if the little demon girl is gonna FINALLY kill him, and keep it that way. It'll probably end that way. I've already come up with a story that I'm suprised hasin't been wrote yet about Wilt. I can picture another story about, were Wilt gets posessed, he kills everyone, he finally snaps out of being posessed and when he realizes what he's done, he kills himself, THE END. Ok, so mabe I wouldin't wanna read a story like THAT. But I can defenatly picture it being wrote. That's just it-the story DOESN'T END! It just keeps going and going, like the Energizer Bunny! Just when you think it's concluded, another chapter is added, and it just keeps dragging on, putting Wilt through more torture. Characters will be killed off, then-without even the aid of any deux in machina-miraculously appear alive, only to be killed off once more in order to wring more emo out of it. If this one ever DOES end, there will probably be another sequel to pick up right where the last left off, and start the whole thing over again, since the current one is just a continuation of the first. pitbulllady
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Post by emma on Jul 4, 2006 12:51:39 GMT -5
Oh my...I actually attempted to read this earlier this morning and...just, oh my. Poor Wilt.
You know, I'm guilty of enjoying the angst of my favorite characters. But there's a line!
Sheesh...
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Post by kageri on Jul 4, 2006 13:24:09 GMT -5
( Mails picture of money to Kageri) ;D FOILED AGAIN! D:
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 4, 2006 17:32:53 GMT -5
Oh my...I actually attempted to read this earlier this morning and...just, oh my. Poor Wilt. You know, I'm guilty of enjoying the angst of my favorite characters. But there's a line!Sheesh... Yeah, this sorta takes the concept of "schadenfreud" to a whole new level, doesn't it? pitbulllady
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Post by emma on Jul 4, 2006 17:42:31 GMT -5
Oh my...I actually attempted to read this earlier this morning and...just, oh my. Poor Wilt. You know, I'm guilty of enjoying the angst of my favorite characters. But there's a line!Sheesh... Yeah, this sorta takes the concept of "schadenfreud" to a whole new level, doesn't it? pitbulllady Phew, no kidding. You know, I have a feeling that the reason that demon's play such a prevelent role in fanfic is because imaginary friends are limitless in their capabilities. If I wanted my imaginary friend to, say, spit up gold when ever he talked. I'd have it. So, in effect, they're able to make up any friend they want and turn it into this evil little incarnation. Like it's the devils imaginary friend, or something. I dunno, the whole concept of demonic stuff in Foster's is forigen to me. It's like oil and water.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 4, 2006 18:15:12 GMT -5
Yeah, this sorta takes the concept of "schadenfreud" to a whole new level, doesn't it? pitbulllady Phew, no kidding. You know, I have a feeling that the reason that demon's play such a prevelent role in fanfic is because imaginary friends are limitless in their capabilities. If I wanted my imaginary friend to, say, spit up gold when ever he talked. I'd have it. So, in effect, they're able to make up any friend they want and turn it into this evil little incarnation. Like it's the devils imaginary friend, or something. I dunno, the whole concept of demonic stuff in Foster's is forigen to me. It's like oil and water. That's MY perception, exactly! This is why I started that thread on this so far back. I mean, I can see the potential for some angsty stuff in that series, with that whole issue of abandonment, growing up, giving up childhood things, and loyalty to friends. That is actually the whole underlying theme of Pixar's Toy Story and Toy Story 2, especially the latter, and the reason why most fans consider those to be Pixar's greatest efforts. Anyone who can listen to "Jessie's Song" and not be moved by that needs to go see a cardiologist and make sure they still HAVE a heart! Still, back to Foster's...those same themes permeate that show, just not on as strong a level. I can especially see that potential in the case of Wilt, since he seems to have had the most painful(emotionally AND physically)past of the main characters, yet also seems to be the one still most tightly bound to his past and unwilling to let it go. BUT, the show's writers are able to still get that point across to those who are perceptive enough, without compromising the humor and fun nature of the show, and it really takes a rare talent, comparable to Pixar, to be able to pull that off successfully. While I can see a fanfic writer delving into that darker aspect, and writing an angsty, at time downright sad, fanfic, about loneliness and abandonment and feeling left out or isolated, it's because those elements are actually there, subtle and below the surface. But how a person can watch Foster's, and think of adding all the demonic, Satanic, or horror elements, is beyond me. It just seems that if a person is really into all that, a light-hearted, funny show like Foster's would not even appeal to them in the first place; they would not even bother watching it, let alone writing a fanfic based on it, unless it was intended as a Foster's-style parody of those sorts of movies. pitbulllady
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Post by kageri on Jul 4, 2006 19:02:47 GMT -5
Writing a fanfic where the subtle themes of abandonment, which don't actually come up that often anyway (although the show is completely about a foster home for *abandoned* imaginary friends, but they rarely seem to dwell on that and focus on the fun aspects of the house and its inhabitants instead), and making that the only thing in the fic, is completely missing the point of the show.
In summary, I can see fanfic writers exploring the theme of abandonment, but fanfics comprised solely of characters croaking, stabbing each other, and crying big fat emo tears makes me wonder if we're even watching the same cartoon.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 4, 2006 19:17:12 GMT -5
Writing a fanfic where the subtle themes of abandonment, which don't actually come up that often anyway (although the show is completely about a foster home for *abandoned* imaginary friends, but they rarely seem to dwell on that and focus on the fun aspects of the house and its inhabitants instead), and making that the only thing in the fic, is completely missing the point of the show. In summary, I can see fanfic writers exploring the theme of abandonment, but fanfics comprised solely of characters croaking, stabbing each other, and crying big fat emo tears makes me wonder if we're even watching the same cartoon. LOL, to paraphrase Wilt a bit, "Oooooo-Kaaaay...I don't know what cartoon YOU were watchin'..."! But yeah, exploring one element a bit is one thing, but constantly dwelling on just the negative, without any of the humor and fun, is another. Like I said, if a person is so emo or depressed or "dark" or whatever they're calling it nowadays, I can't see how something like Foster's would even appeal to them in the first place. pitbulllady
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Post by kageri on Jul 4, 2006 20:21:00 GMT -5
That's what I wonder! Why do they even like Foster's? Is it just material for them to emo-ify? Do they just like the idea of turning sweet, unassuming Wilt into a ten-foot-tall Jeff Dahmer? WHY?!
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Post by phantomoperaghost on Jul 4, 2006 20:37:25 GMT -5
I'm sure for some it's just matieral to emo-ify. [Heh, emo-ify, I like that word, it's neato. ] They just want to twist and turn the characters around so much, you can't even reconize them, and, they like turning sweet into bitter, no escape, past the point of no return, emoness. You see, it would be no fun if the characters were already emo. We would be the fun of twisting the characters?
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 4, 2006 20:54:55 GMT -5
I'm sure for some it's just matieral to emo-ify. [Heh, emo-ify, I like that word, it's neato. ] They just want to twist and turn the characters around so much, you can't even reconize them, and, they like turning sweet into bitter, no escape, past the point of no return, emoness. You see, it would be no fun if the characters were already emo. We would be the fun of twisting the characters? What's the POINT of twisting the characters? I can only fathom doing that if you don't LIKE them in the first place, and I cannot grasp the concept of sitting and watching any show that I hated, with characters I couldn't stand as they are. That makes about as much sense as the guy who just trolled a bit on the TV.com forum, about how much he hated Fosters and how stupid the characters were, then got his feelings hurt when some people flamed him! What did he expect? What would a severely depressed, dark-and-gloomy person expect when they sat down to watch Foster's, not once, but again and again-that it's going to turn into this dreary blood-fest? If you don't like the show and the characters, why would you watch it? And obviously, if someone feels that there is a need to "twist" the characters, they must not like them at all, unless it's intended to be a spoof or a parody, and I really don't think that's the case here. pitbulllady
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Post by phantomoperaghost on Jul 4, 2006 21:06:13 GMT -5
I'm sure for some it's just matieral to emo-ify. [Heh, emo-ify, I like that word, it's neato. ] They just want to twist and turn the characters around so much, you can't even reconize them, and, they like turning sweet into bitter, no escape, past the point of no return, emoness. You see, it would be no fun if the characters were already emo. We would be the fun of twisting the characters? What's the POINT of twisting the characters? I can only fathom doing that if you don't LIKE them in the first place, and I cannot grasp the concept of sitting and watching any show that I hated, with characters I couldn't stand as they are. That makes about as much sense as the guy who just trolled a bit on the TV.com forum, about how much he hated Fosters and how stupid the characters were, then got his feelings hurt when some people flamed him! What did he expect? What would a severely depressed, dark-and-gloomy person expect when they sat down to watch Foster's, not once, but again and again-that it's going to turn into this dreary blood-fest? If you don't like the show and the characters, why would you watch it? And obviously, if someone feels that there is a need to "twist" the characters, they must not like them at all, unless it's intended to be a spoof or a parody, and I really don't think that's the case here. pitbulllady I really don't get it, and ya, if the characters are really OOC and it's a parody, that's ok. But, I've noticed that in the boundries of fanction, people really only parody books and movies, not TV shows. But, I did see someone parodize a Law And Order ep. because he said it was really cliche and stupid and predictable. I do think it's more fun to parodize movies rather than TV shows, for some reason. It's kinda funny, you parodize an episode of a TV series or something because you don't like it, you parodize a movie because you DO like it. It's kinda funny. Oh, but, back on topic, the characters need to be, "Taken for what they are, who they were meant to be, and, if you [the writers, of course] give a darn , you'll take them baby, or leave them [alone]." Oh, god, I need to stop listing to my Rent CD, I think I'm becoming addicted. Oh, well. *Runs off dancing to La Vie Boheme*
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Post by emma on Jul 4, 2006 22:15:49 GMT -5
I agree with everything said above. And would like to add to it (because I can). The thing that really, really annoys me about the authors of the type of fic we've been referring to throughout this thread is that they often defend their stories with that cliched old whine, "But it's only a faaannnfffiiccttiiooonnn!!!1 I can write whatever I want!!! Leave me alone you **** idiot!" I just want to yell back that in order for it to be fanfiction, it must be more connected to the series than a few of the characters sharing names (often though, the number of canon characters is dwarfed by the vast amount of OCs, so the similer names aren't even noticable). I mean, it's worst with the Wilt fangirls (granted, most of the really great authors are Wilt fangirls/women). I had the pleasure of being in a flame war (which I, unsuccessfully tried to end in it's in it's infancy) over some con-crit I wrote on a Wilt backstory. Her Wilt was grossly out of character (basically, he'd become a whinning bishie who, surprise surprise, cut himself and lost ALL of his pleasent attitude somehow), her OCs were more two dimensional than Duchess, and her situations were cliched and annoyingly contrived. And when I tried to help her out, I was essentially called a "big meanie" and got sent nasty emails from all the author's friends. Since then I have been very reluctent to give any con-crit in my reviews anymore. I just don't see how they're watching the same show as me?? Come to think of it, I rarely catch the end credits. Maybe that's when all the hardcore angst is going on.
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